please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

[ofonorow]

False positive? Sounds like a real positive given the condition you now describe. (The test I am thinking of they have you exercise and take pictures of your heart. Then they give you an injection, and take more pictures. If there are restrictions in blood flow in the heart, they will be dark areas on these pictures. I don't see how you can get a false positive if an area of the heart isn't getting blood flow?)

I'll leave the homocysteine/drug questions to johnwen.

[jpoww]

Well this happened back in 2005 where he had taken two nuclear stress test and they showed blockages and they scheduled angioplasty each time and both times when they went in they found no blockages.

[ofonorow]

Confusing report (to me) as I understood that the stress test showed lack of blood flow "inside the heart" while the normal angioplasty would try to unblock arteries "outside of the heart". I guess there is a connection... But the test would show areas of the heart that needed more blood/oxygen... I am curious what johnwen thinks about your doctor's efforts back then.

[jpoww]

yes I would like to know what he thinks also. As far as I know my husband had gone in twice (two different times) and both times the test showed the flow of blood to be lacking in a particular area, so he schedule an angioplasty and when he got in there he said there were no signs of blockages so that lead him to believe that he showed a false positive with that particular test

[jpoww]

Do you think lipator helps stabilize plaque? thats what the doctor said it did..I dont know if I believe that

[jpoww]

Owen, I got the first set of blood work from the doctors today and i'm still waiting on the
homocysteine, lp(a), fibrinogen and c-reactive protien results but so for this is what I have:

total cholesteral 147
HDL 41
LDL 97
trigylcerides 44
glucose 87

TSH 4.18
FREE T3 2.4
TOTAL T3 62 (which is low according to the range)
Prothrombin time INR 1.0
PT 10.4
WHITE BLOOD 3.2 (Which is low)

Dont forget they put him on Amiodarone after his heart attack last month..seems like its effecting his thyroid..what should we do?
and before he was on effient for blood thinners and his white count was ok, now they put him back on plavix and its back to being low again.

[ofonorow]

Do you think lipator helps stabilize plaque? thats what the doctor said it did..I dont know if I believe that

What evidence is there that it does? Has it seem to help or hurt his progress? (Wasn't that johnwen's point in an earlier post?)

As far as total cholesterol - too low!! (Cholesterol is an important substance that the body uses for a myriad of functions, and artificially lowering it blocks those functions!) I wrote some articles long ago and put this info in our book. Here is one: http://www.internetwks.com/owen/TruthChol.htm

I leave the discussion of the pros/cos of Lipitor to our resident cardiologist, that and a discussion of your other numbers, if he has time to comment.

All still points to more vitamin C - to arrest the progress of the disease, and lysine to start reversing it.

[jpoww]

ok thank you for the response.
I saw the LDL was 97 and I freaked out a little.
For the past year we weaned my husband off lipator for the first time. He was replacing this with red rice yeast. Then he has this heart attack and the doctor of course is blaming it on us stopping lipator. So I if you ask me I dont see how Lipator can prevent unstable plaque, so I personally dont think lipator has every done him any good.
The doctor is now saying he wants him to see a blood specialist for his white count being so low again.
We already went down this road in 2010/2011 and they found nothing to cause his WBC. They ran every test including bone marrow biopsy twice and still found nothing.
I dont undertand what he could possible want him to purse with this low WBC. This is all very stressful

[jpoww]

My husband is currently taking 18,000mg of vitamin C
6,000mg of lysine
2,000mg of proline
Should he up the lysine and proline?

[ofonorow]

In our experience (unless he is very heavy) those amounts of lysine and proline are fine.

Vitamin C can vary considerably in dosage (per http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm) among people. 18,000 is a very good amount and should be sufficient for most people, but if he is the one in a thousand with the metabolic requirement for 30,000 mg of vitamin C, he would still be low. That Cathcart BOWEL TOLERANCE paper may help determine if he requires even more vitamin C. He cannot take too much - up to the point of diarrhea, and then I would add liposomal vitamin C - for insurance.

Also there is NO effective difference between "red yeast rice" and a statin drug! Both inhibit the same enzyme, both will stop the body from making enough of its own CoQ10, etc. In other words, both are BAD!!! (Statin might be more concentrated/powerful, but the statin drugs were derived from a chemical (lovistatin) that these plants make for self defense - to prevent them from being eaten. A poison. A chemist who used to work for the drug companies wrote about this, but I don't know if it still online. Shane Ellison Yes, it is still online here: http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane16.htm

[jpoww]

Owen I got more blood work results from my husband please let me know what you think?

Fibrogen = 259
lipoprotein (a)= 32
c-reactive= <0.10
pt =10.4

[ofonorow]

Owen I got more blood work results from my husband please let me know what you think?

Fibrogen = 259
lipoprotein (a)= 32
c-reactive= <0.10
pt =10.4

Always helps to have a baseline for comparison, and units.

Either the Lp(a) is very high (if mg/dl) or it is very low (if nmol/l)

GIven the history, I assume it is mg/dl - and thus everything he is doing regarding Pauling would be correct in my opinion. (i.e., vitamin C, lysine and proline are patented Lp(a) "binding inhibitors", meaning that even if Lp(a) remains high, these molecules in the blood will "deactivate" the Lysine (and Proline) Binding site receptors on Lp(a), rendering this form of cholesterol less- sticky, and hopefully, harmless.

PT doesn't ring a bell?

[Johnwen]

I'm going to have to re-read this post completely to get a grasp back on it. First I've been very busy with a lot of 45-55 year olds. C'mon people if your having discomfort in your chest don't think it's just indigestion get to the hospitial or doc and get it checked out. Don't just sit there and think, "I TOO YOUNG!" your not!!! The risks are too high!

Now I glanced over page 3 and noticed his tsh was way high and then saw his cholesterol was in the bottom of the barrel. His doctors are probably all proud of his low cholesterol! But I bet his endocrine system is in crisis mode. He's probably acting kind of sluggish and not too alert. Think there's a connection here???

Remember, Red Yeast Rice IS Lovastatin (mecavor) and Lipitor is atrovastatin which is a sledge hammer compared to the tack hammer lovastatin. This link shows the difference and the competition that raged for years on who kills I mean make's more people sick I mean better and who wants to make more money! Something like that? Heres the link!


http://netwellness.org/question.cfm/32674.htm

[jpoww]

Owen here is the blood work again and I will include the range this time, This was at quest diagnostic labs
lipoprotein (A)= 32 range : <75 nmol/L
Fibrogen activitiy clause: 259 range: 175-425 mg/dl
tsh= 4.18 range: .040-4.50 mIU/L
T3 free = 2.4 range: 2.3-4.2 pg/ml
T3 total = 62 (LOW) range: 76-181 ng/dl

I dont have a baseline on the lipoprotein a because this is the first time we have checked it. does the lipoprotien a means that is the small LDL particles?
also, could any of his meds be causing a high tsh reading? can having a high tsh reading have anything to do with his heart?
What should he do with the lipator? he just had a heart attack last month? the doctor will freak if he tries to get off the lipator, he keeps saying the lipator not only lowers cholesteral it helps stablize plaque.

[ofonorow]

The doctor is repeating what he is taught, or what people he has faith in (drug reps) tell him. I leave it to johnwen (a practicing MD) to make a recommendation about the statins... (I know what I would do, or not do.)

It is a very difficult thing when the medical doctors who are the most highly trained about a specific condition/disease - really know the least about what causes, and how to effectively treat it.

And I don't generally blame these doctors, because they are practicing what they were taught, and of course, they assume that if other knowledge existed - they would know about it, etc.

I add Rheumatologists to this list of the most ignorant medical specialties , but that is another story!

So how can this be? That medical specialties happen to be ignorant about the very things that would put them out of business?

Now that particular lab is the one lab I do not trust - they used to "calculate" rather than measure Lp(a) and you might ask them if they are still doing that. ( I doubt you will get an answer.) They are using new units (nmol/l rather than mg/dl) so maybe they have gone back to measuring Lp(a) - more expensive?